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   dad Undefeated! Supporter

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   Maybe because that is a very tearing land. How many of those did you used to come across earlier development was taught!!!?

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   Nathan Poe Well-Known Member

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   How many of those did you lot used to meet earlier Ronald Reagan was elected president?

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   If the connectedness is there, as the dad in the commodity claims, it took time to ripen to the present degree. I think almost would acknowledge that the degree and scope of the school problem has grown. No, the past was not perfect, but the present degree of wickedness is far greater. We could probably graph it from the monkey trials upward! Kind of relatively straight line, then the accepting of evolution, tossing prayer out, etc, and a spike in violence, and severe behaviour, drugs, ritilin, etc etc. Getting worse equally the days grow darker, till, one day, the light comes, and the night is no more.

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   I'll grant that a deity could enlighten an organism almost things it would otherwise never know. But this is speculation, and some other violation of Occams razor.These things were all 'prophesised' afterward they occured.
   And you nevertheless accept non justified the existance of non-Christian fulfilled prophesies:
   http://bci.org/prophecy-fulfilled/islam.htm
   http://bci.org/prophecy-fulfilled/hindusa.htm
   http://answering-islam.org/Emails/moon_prophecy.htmActually, it seems that life on Earth came from a meteorite that came from Mars! It is very likely that life on Earth came from an extra-terrestrial source.Ah, so you argue that there was intent backside the Big Bang. Any bear witness of this? Without it, you cannot invoke an intelligence without violating Occams Razor. You're sure hung upward about that fishbowl. Notation that someone in the fishbowl would be able to discern a universe beyond information technology. Indeed, according to cord theory, our universe is simply a blip caused past the collision of two collosal, 26-dimensional chiliad-planes.Description: witches practice witchcraft, which often includes the Wiccan God, just they do not worship him. Wiccans, however, do worship him. But this is but semantics, since I am both!
   I believe my faith to exist true, just I do not know it to be true. I believe my witchcraft works, since I take experiance things otherwise unexplainable or highly unlikely. But I do not know information technology to work.
   Too, no-one on the Earth knows that there is a spiritual. We believe, which is why it is called faith.So, in fact, a one fashion mirror.
   1) You lot have not shown that mircales and 'spirit visitations' actually happen.
   2) Even if they did, this would non prove a world beyond our material one. The whole point of the material world is that it includes everything that can create causal chains.
   Think of ii numberless. Things in one bag can affect each other, and things in another pocketbook tin can bear upon each other. But things in one bag cannot impact things in the other.We look at our current universe, assume the natural laws worked the aforementioned in the past, predict what things would be similar in the by under this supposition, and await for remains and evidences that support these predictions. This is the basic methodology of determining past events.
   Note that this is actively falsified on a daily footing past all sentient action on the planet.What other form of logic is there? Logic is universal, and information technology's foundations (A=A, A≠¬A, 'either A=B or A=¬B', and are chosen the Law of Identity, the Law of Noncontradiction, and the Police force of Excluded Middle, respectively) are the same everywhere.You have yet to answer this question.Would that be such a bad thing? Is free will actually worth the toll of the suffering and death of countless trillions of organisms?Hah! How tin can you lot refute something you don't even know!
   ane) Counterargument A cites evidence B
   2) I don't understand B
   3) Therefore, B doesn't exist
   4) Therefore, A is false
   Is this an case of your 'not-box' logic?What on Earth? You fence that at that place are these taxonomical catagories called 'kinds'. What, exactly, are they? Are the species? Are they entire phyla?And y'all have no evidence to back up what you are maxim. As information technology happens, the entire of paeleoarchaeology and evolutionary biology agrees with me. Do you lot really merits that these fields have no evidence?

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   Was their any connexion between the teaching of evolution and violent behavior, we would run into this globally, not merely in 1 land. America has a much higher proportion of creationists and then most developed countries, yet it is likewise one of the most violent developed countrys in the world. Why do you think this is?

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   The fact that his prophesy was a PO one remains. His inspiration came in realizing that some evolving went on. What things? Nothing in the bible, if that is what you are trying to slur here. I don't accept to, as I say there is a spiritual, and it affects people worldwide. They are non 100% of course, not even warm. But there is something behind a lot of it. No, no hazard. They grasp at straws, and have no thought. At that place was no big bang, The earth was hither before the stars were even fabricated. But I don't doubt in that location was intent in the theory, and inspiration. This fishbowl is physical only, and temporal. It is a prison. We can not see out, unless nosotros use the optics of the spirit. Well, I accept met some that have met spirits. Millions of others take many reasons to realize it exists. Don't accept to. It is well known, and documented. Ask a Christian. Our leader is a spirit, and rose from beaing real dead, and was seen subsequently by many real people, doing real things, like eating real food, and going upward into the air. The point of the spiritual ane is that it breaks our PO bondage. Think of two bags. One of them is a ghost. It can sneak over into the other bag. Only the material, physical only purse, has people in it, that can't pass through walls, fifty-fifty a bag. So it has no idea what goes on in the other pocketbook. Till they dice, when they get a whole new pocketbook. Right, I think we know this. Presume. Presume . Assume. But they are all under the law of the excluded spiritual! Therfore they are puny, and relegated to the box. Plain, man was worth it. The race. Even worth sending His only son to die a horrible decease, to give us that chance to believe, and get out of this mess. Well, if you say what it is, maybe someobe could support or refute information technology! Why throw numbers, and equal sins effectually equally if they mean something, when yous don't even state what you lot really are talking nearly???? That is not logic, and we don't need inverse mind twisting formulas to figure that one out. The kinds were in Eden. Later, they were also on the ark. They were animals, and birds, etc. You know, some kind of cat, dog, and etc. Whatever the first kinds were. Of course they are a croc. From the getgo. Whatsoever resemblance to reality is purely coincedental. And the resemblance can non carry nack in time that far! They sell a span to a phoney past, and people have been buying too long. They ought to drop the hoax, and come clean, or be charged with fraud.

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   It is spreading, haven't yous heard? Some countries are more violent than others. Maybe in a place where at that place are and so many believers, things progress a little faster for the wicked!? You know, similar their condition is hastened along more, than in some places where wicked might not exist confronted with the truth and so much!?

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   Lord_Marx Well-Known Member

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   So the fewer believers at that place are, the better off a country is?

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   Nathan Poe Well-Known Member

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   Then, how are y'all going to connect this to the presidency of Ronald Reagan?

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    dad Undefeated! Supporter

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    No, but if the to a higher place did concur true, then, the wicked would get set off a fiddling slower!

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    No idea, why would I do that? You lot feeling OK? Hope I don't agitate you.

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    Nathan Poe Well-Known Member

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    Aside from the minor dizzyness at following your logic, I'm fine.

    You look us to believe that since school shootings rose after evolution was accepted as mainstream science, there's a causal relationship.

    Logically, you must as well believe that since shootings skyrocketed in the years following Reagan's presidency, at that place must exist a similar relationship -- or at the very to the lowest degree, you'd be willing to look for one.

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    dad Undefeated! Supporter

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    OK. Long every bit you practice follow. No. Information technology is a possibility, that it is part of a flurry of growing violence and wickedness, that was watered, and spawned by evo humanistic, animalistic, beastly, godless philosophy. No. That could exist part of the same equation. Perhaps when a Christian gets shot, that excites the wicked a flake, and nosotros got a premature blurp on the screen at that place!?

14. Ah, and at present I guess the question is "where does the verse say 'child'?"
    

15. Does it hurt when everything you say is wrong? Trigger-happy crime is downwards, has been going down for a while.

    
    From: http://world wide web.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/viort.htm

    Dad, I realize that facts hateful very lilliputian to you lot, when y'all have faith. Only you must realize how cool you lot are to those of us less averse to them.

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    Where the King James Version says "infant", the New Revised Standard Version say "kid".

    Luke one:41

    --- New Revised Standard Version

    The words are interchangeable here as one does not commonly expect to wait a child older than a babe (Greek: βρεφο&#963 still in utero.

    

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    The violent crime may be down, only the degree of wickedness is upwards. Wait at the schoolhouse shootings. That is worse than running in the halls, or chewing gum. Besides, think that there is more law-breaking and violence than on the streets. For example, what would the numbers wait similar if we added a few 1000000 dead (or whatever number) from the recent Usa wars, and occupation. Also, it seems the jailers in Abu Garab, and elsewhere aren't exactly Andy Griffith either! It may be you that is incorrect?

    Evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse.

    Hey, nosotros tin even leave the US here, and look elsewhere for some violence if y'all similar. When development offset came in, did we run across something like this?

    "Abortion: Staggering numbers
    1/24/2003
    Worldwide, about 46 million abortions occur each year."
    https://world wide web.populationconnection.org/Factoids/
    Whats that, the population of the entire US dead in something like seven years? Stick that on your graph!
    Wickedness and violence take other forms than only school shootings.
    See, before Jesus comes nosotros get into days as the days of Noah again.

    Here is another site that seems to discern some connection. Maybe there is something to it.

    "new enquiry has confirmed what Bible-believers take known all forth—that the rising acceptance of Darwin'southward theory is related to declining morality in the community.
    The enquiry survey of 1535 people, conducted by the Australian National University, revealed that belief in evolution is associated with moral permissiveness. Darwin himself obviously feared that belief in evolution by the common man would lead to social decay. The survey showed that people who believed in development were more than probable to be in favour of premarital sexual practice than those who rejected Darwin's theory. Another event which highlighted the contrast betwixt the effect of evolutionary ideas and that of biblical principles was that Darwinians were reported to exist 'especially tolerant' of abortion.
    In identifying the primary factors determining these differences in community attitudes, the author of the enquiry report, Dr Jonathan Kelley, said: 'The single most of import influence after church attendance is the theory of evolution.'"
    http://world wide web.creationontheweb.com/content/view/3887/

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    Surely, though, a measure of violent crime is a straight measurement of 'wickedness'?Well, aye. Just school shootings have always happened for as long as the Usa has allowed information technology's children easy access to armed weapons.Did you even look at the graph?We are talking about criminal offense, not casualties of state of war.Non really. The statistical data does not lie. Offense is downwardly.You totally misinterprit the graph. Information technology is a directly plot of the number of fierce criminals per thousand in the Us. If you are to incorporate the whole world, and so you lot are going to have a much larger population, and thus a larger scalar measurement of crime. However, the number of criminals per k in the globe is nevertheless tending to decrease, as it is in the Us.Exactly. That's why the data incorporates all forms of muder, rape, assualt, robbery, etc.Now you're just shoving Christian propaganda down our throats. There is nothing to similar criminal tendencies to a belief in Christian dogma.Illogical. A belief in evolution may correlate with a liberal morality, only this neither implies causation, nor moral decay.Both unjustified and irrelevant.This is non an case of moral decay, just a tendency away from Christian morality. God foreclose people choose to deed rationally.1) There are no Darwinians, simply neo-Darwinians.
    two) Biblical principles are irrelvant to the discussion of whether credible moral decay exists, and add a total bias to the data.
    3) Biblical principles mention nothing of abortion.
    4) Tolerance of ballgame is not an example of moral decay.I exercise love how Dr Kelly says 'Later THE CHURCH '. Your own researcher confirms that it is faith, and more specifically the Christian church building, that is the prime motive for any moral decay.
    I had a look at creationontheweb's source, (The Australian, Feb one, 2000.). What they inferred from the source is quite laughable. It was essentially a table of a persons religion, stance on Evolution, and stance on diverse moral issues. The trend was for moral liberalness, non immorality.

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    And perhaps in that location'due south a possibility that information technology was watered and spawned by the presidency of Ronald Reagan. There's a possibility that it was spawned past invisible infinite pixies.

    I know you don't believe in evidence, simply it would really come in handy here to eliminate some possibilities.

    Wickedness ---> Evolution ---> Ronald Reagan ---> school shootings? Y'all're funny.

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